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Quiet On Set: Ruining our Childhood
This week we slightly ruined our childhood by watching Quiet on Set:The Dark Side of Kids TV. This explosive documentary takes a deep dive into some of the behind the scenes issues at Nickelodeon during the late 90's and early 2000's including harassment by Dan Schneider, child actor mistreatment and even the horrible sexual assaults that Drake Bell endured. Listen today to hear all of our thoughts and whether you should check out this documentary too.
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I think it's time that we go back to an older part of this show that we
John:I know where we're going. I think.
Mike:time
John:Oh,
Mike:Mike Berger's Psychology Corner. Hello everyone
John:oh my God.
Mike:the psychology corner. Hello, and welcome to another episode of The Screened In Podcast. Here at The Screened In Podcast, we watch anything that's on our screens. That includes movies, TV, anime, video games. If it's on a screen, we're probably talking about it. My name is Mike Berger. On this episode of the Screened In podcast, we ruin our childhoods by going behind the curtain and realizing that the real Wizard of Oz was a middle aged fat guy asking for massages. We try not to cry into our pillows after we watched Quiet on set, the dark side of kids TV while hoping and praying that nothing sinister was ever going on with the TV show Spongebob. Ladies and gentlemen, I am joined by my esteemed, like broccoli, co host, John Artaglar. Welcome, John.
John:Hello. The good thing with that joke, never going to get old. Just like broccoli. Uh,
Mike:I kept saying esteemed for like the last Like year now the like
John:culminated to this. Uh, it's, uh, Ooh, I think you nailed it in that intro. This really does dampen. A lot of, uh, a lot of shows from my past.
Mike:yeah
John:Uh, if you don't know what quiet on the set is, I mean, right now it's, I feel like this is like the buzz TV show right now. I feel like this is everywhere kind of, but it's looking back at the. 90s and 2000s Nickelodeon kind of era that is heavily influenced by a Mr. Dan Snyder. Oh, am I boring you, Berger? You're going in your drawer over there. Um, but it's Dan Snyder. He's created, like, or directed, like, all that. Uh, iCarly. Um, was he Keenan and Cal too, or did he just work with Keenan? But, uh,
Mike:think he worked with can't I think maybe I know he was involved with all that which
John:yeah,
Mike:they were both on
John:any of like the live action kind of Nickelodeon shows. Dan Snyder had his hand in, and this is kind of giving a look back from the perspective of the child actors that were involved and oof, it was not a good. Environment. Like it really pulls the curtain back. No, not at all. Um, was this the first you had heard about Dan Snyder or did you kind of already know some of these things?
Mike:I already knew some of these things that were being said about Dan Snyder Obviously dot to this level because nobody Nobody had anything packaged to this level like this show had I I believe like they really Painted a clear picture because I'll say that like John's talking about a significant portion of this show but another significant half of this show is That there were two actual Pedophiles that were
John:Yeah.
Mike:on these shows that one of which, um, sexually assaulted, uh, Drake Bell, um, many, many times
John:yeah, that's kind of, that's like, seems like the big draw. That's how I first heard about this show where, where people talking about Drake Bell finally talking about this.
Mike:it's this argument that I think, like, it's important to talk about Dan Schneider because even though Dan Schneider hadn't, uh, done what was done to Drake Bell, is the argument is that the culture that is created on these sets allows these types of things to happen.
John:Yeah. He set up the
Mike:put doesn't really put up a lot of safeguards for, um, children that are involved in these shooting of these TV shows
John:Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I, since we brought it up, maybe we'll start with the Drake Bell stuff and then kind of almost work backwards a little bit, but, um, that's kind of, I, I, I had no idea that. Until I halfway through watching the episode. I was like, Oh, I'm like, okay. Like, I thought maybe this was the first time Drake Bell publicly talked about it, but this is like the first time people are finding out that this happened to Drake Bell. And I mean, he was one of had one of the biggest shows on Nickelodeon, Drake and Josh. And I'm like, what a different time to where this could happen to one of your biggest stars and he's successfully able to kind of keep this under wraps for what? 15 years or something like that? That's, there's no way that
Mike:even went to court. And like, all of this, all of this, like, stuff happened, like, and even to the point where he details that when they're in the courtroom, that this guy who had done this to him has been Tons and tons and tons of people behind him in support behind him in the industry and when they actually like appealed the court like for this TV show to to release the letters of support that were given for that a lot of people were Quite upset with the names that came through
John:Very weird names to come through too. Like, uh, very weird ones.
Mike:This particular guy, it, it, it is interesting because this particular guy, you know, had worked even going as far back with like a young Leonardo DiCaprio. Right? And when you think about it that way, it's like, oh, we got, like, this guy was working with like Gen Xers when they were kids. You know what I mean? Like, this goes far back and The question remains sometimes, I think about this occasionally, uh, when I look at like Jennifer Aniston, I look at Leonardo DiCaprio, and I look at these other people, and I think to myself, someone, there's someone famous that we don't know has gone through
John:Oh, and like, it's always going to be just such a tough subject. I mean, watching Drake Bell talk about it,
Mike:that was
John:and it gives just kind of like, I've never really talked about this outside of therapy that I don't know what to really say. And like, I, it's. He puts it like in a really terrible way. He's just like, think about like the worst things you could do to like sexually assault somebody. And he's like, that's just, just picture that. That's what happened. Just, there you go. And I'm like, Oh my God.
Mike:You know who really broke my heart though? I mean Drake, Drake for sure. But like his dad when his dad talked about it, that was hard because his dad like And like said multiple things at like multiple different times and even had said to his ex wife at the time when Drake had decided, like, I don't want you to be my manager anymore to his dad. Um, and his dad, knowing what that meant, he said to his ex wife, whatever you do. Don't let that guy anywhere near my kid, like whatever
John:them be alone. He, something's
Mike:be. Yep, and That guy of course was very smart and manipulative and he found he found a way to make it happen
John:that, that's the weird, like, that's such a rough part of it is it wasn't just like, it didn't just happen. Like, this guy wormed his way into his life. I think it was Brian, it's Brian Peck, I believe is the name, right? Um. Cause
Mike:Yeah, Brian is the first name. Is it Peck? Cause that, I'm, I'm confusing it with Josh Peck.
John:yeah, it's the same last name. Cause during it, I was like, they're not related. Right. But yeah, like watching it, I was like, man, like he really did kind of worm his way into being like best friends as a 40 something year old dude. And then, you know, implanted that thought of like, Hey, don't, don't have your dad be your manager, like get, get him out of there.
Mike:Well, John,
John:Oof.
Mike:I think it's time that we go back to an older part of this show that we
John:I know where we're going. I think.
Mike:time
John:Oh,
Mike:Mike Berger's Psychology Corner. Hello everyone
John:oh my God.
Mike:the psychology corner. So, uh, I was reading, uh, Malcolm Gladwell's book, um, how to talk to strangers recently. And in that book, he details something called a truth bias that we all have. So, um, we all kind of, but when we look at people, we have this, we basically give the benefit of the doubt. So even if we get Even if we get an indication that something's off, the threshold for that is very, very strong. So, in other words, you really have to trigger our, like, insi like, our, our, um, that truth bias. Like, you really have to do something significant for us to believe. Start to think, Oh, there's something not right here. And that dad's truth bias was triggered multiple times into the point where like, he really was like, no, something's not right here. Right. And he, but this guy managed, think about how many people we all think that we are so good at spotting individuals who are dangerous, who are, uh, don't mean us. Uh, You know, don't don't mean good toward us. We think we're so good at spotting those individuals. But in reality, we're not very good at it at all. It takes a lot for that. And there's think about how many people worked with this guy over the years and enough people to also write letters.
John:yeah,
Mike:To in support of him.
John:I mean, the dad brings it up to somebody like pretty early on. Like he notices, like he's a little touchy feely, not, not in a sexual way, but just in a kind of like. Drake's 13. Let's not be like putting your hand on his shoulder all the time, bud. And he kind of brings it up.
Mike:he was like dressing him or something And that
John:Oh, yeah.
Mike:shirt on
John:Yeah.
Mike:need to be doing
John:Yeah, that's when it like really started to ramp up, too. He was like, okay, hold on a minute. This is even worse now. And yeah, he brought it up to some people who worked with him and they, they blew it off right away. They were like, no, no, no, no. Brian's cool. Like, oh, uh, like he it's fine. Don't worry about it. And I'm like, wait a minute. Like, Oh man. But I mean, that, that's kind of the big lead up of this show is that, but like, there is a lot of stuff along the way. That this show covers that, like, God, like all the, I don't even know where to start, like with the, some of the other stuff that show covers, like, um, the one thing that came to mind, that's a kind of early on is they're talking to some of these, uh, actors that I guess were on kind of like the second resurgence of like all that. Past my time, I think, cause I didn't really remember them. It wasn't like the Keenan Thompson days, but
Mike:I was a first wave of all that as well. I I like barely recognized the people who were in the second wave of all that, which also confuses me, right, John? Because like, I'm like, how do I know the first cast of all that? And then I missed the second, but then I still watched Nickelodeon. Like what time of my life did, like, how did we miss that?
John:I think maybe it's just like, I don't know, maybe watching it, you were kind of like, Oh, this is a little too childish or something like, like, I don't know if maybe we were just a little bit
Mike:I think I, I'm starting to wonder though, you had an older sister. How, how much older is your sister than you?
John:six years.
Mike:Okay. And then I had like, I, I, I'm an only child, but when I would go over to. Dan's house, Jess and Justine are significant. You know, Jess is older than me, not significantly, three years older, four years older. And that might be enough for you and I to have like watched the original all that. But then I don't know, we, for whatever reason, we didn't watch the second. I find that strange because then all these other shows that were on Nick, I do remember. So like what happened?
John:uh, it looks like the pilot of all that was released, um, late 1994. So I was definitely, I was, I
Mike:Oh, so I was like
John:four years old.
Mike:Six years old.
John:Yeah, I was going to say, wait a minute, but yeah, so I was young when that came out. So I was probably catching how that's weird too. That's even weirder that I didn't watch the second wave of all that. But, um,
Mike:It's weird. It's really strange. I don't know.
John:yeah, but one of the first things they're talking about is like, they had these like truth or dare segments. And, and
Mike:I saw that and I thought to myself, I kind of remember these, but I didn't even think to myself back then because you just, As a kid, I think people have to understand as a kid, you just accept things and you just think to yourself, Oh, the adults in the room know better than I do. So if they tell me it's okay, or if they tell me it's safe, then I'm just going to go ahead and do it.
John:I think watching these shows as a kid, you're not even thinking of the adults, like you're thinking of these kids are just having fun.
Mike:Right.
John:And so like the one kid who got like covered in peanut butter and like, and then dogs came and licked it off his body as a kid, you look at that and your thought is just like, Oh, that's so gross. Good thing. That's not me. But you're not realizing that there's a fucking. Production team and writers who came up with all this. And these are 12 year olds getting told, Hey, you got to go do this. Like,
Mike:a question too, like whose job was it to slather him in peanut butter or like who's handling the dogs where they're like, okay, dog handler. So what the dogs are going to do is they're going to lick the peanut butter off of this young boy's body. I'm sorry. What?
John:well, that's like, it's like, that's the thing in the last like 20 so years, the world has changed a lot. Like you probably would not do that. This like, there's like, there's also things have gotten more, you know, edgy or raunchy since then too.
Mike:True.
John:But looking back at this stuff, I feel like this kind of thing would not really fly. I mean, Especially the other big one with the kids is all the innuendos and stuff that aren't even
Mike:And there's a lot of examples like the you can't even like argue that much like oh, it's just one or two things here and there No, they just had example after example after example, and I was like Oh, man.
John:Like they had like three or four different like cumshot jokes they covered that were like these young girls like somehow finding an excuse to get like sprayed with something in the face in a very suggestive way. And I'm like, once again, as a kid, you don't think about it at all. But now like looking back, you're like, yes, somebody wrote that scene for a 12 year old girl. Like that's, or, you know, maybe whatever, I keep saying 12, I have no idea how old they were. It could have been 15, 16, either. It doesn't matter. That's where the whole Dan Snyder part of it comes in. He was kind of responsible for all that kind of stuff. Like, he might not have been, I mean, who knows? Like, he seemed to be a little creepy with some of the girls, but, you know, he was very odd in that sense. Like, he would make very adult jokes with these kids that, I said, how did that air? Like, how did any of it air?
Mike:Yeah, he was, he's not, he doesn't really like, he's more of like what happens when an immature man child gets control and just decides, these are the things, I want massages. I want you to say that same joke, but, uh, in the writer's room, but I want you to pretend like you're being sodomized while you, while you say it. Like what? But the, in. And the thing is now like, so what other people don't know, excuse me, hold on one second.
John:Oh, there we
Mike:Yes. Yes, I am a mental health professional. But what many people probably don't know is that I also do a lot of the trainings. And one of the trainings I do is in workplace violence. And that's part of harassment. So, the thing is, When, what can happen in a work environment is that a work environment can, can so easily become toxic when people decide to ignore the toxic behavior. So like, even if somebody's doing something like, Uh, making people uncomfortable by saying a sexual joke or doing this or that. If they're doing it in front of you, there's a good chance they're doing it in front of somebody else too. And so if you don't go and report that, or if you don't speak up and say that you're uncomfortable with it to that person, then it can, it can quite easily become, get away from, uh, everybody and become a toxic work environment. Before you know it, you're losing good people.
John:Yeah.
Mike:quit because they don't want to be there anymore.
John:And it seems like that, that kind of is what happened with a few people or he would make it so hostile to kind of force them out
Mike:and that's the thing. I think too is like these environments, the, the threshold for what you can take in these environments is so high because like for some of these writers, it's like their very first paying gig, right? Like they're like, I'm never going to get this chance again. So I just have to like, Take this and just that's it. Like, I don't have a choice.
John:much and it's it's like hazing like, um, to get in, you have to take it, but, um, yeah, he's, uh, in like, I think the first episode, there's two women who it was their kind of their first break into a writing gig and it's wild because they were made to share a salary, which like, that's the other thing. It seems like he has a pretty. Big history of kind of treating women differently in the workplace, kind of just being very, I don't know, uncomfy around women and making them feel that way,
Mike:that and then if anybody like has any objections to the statement of like, he, he was the, of the thing you just said about the salaries when she talked about the season two, when she came back and they said, we're only going to pay you for 11 weeks, but you're working 22. And then like the guy, you know, Came in, uh, a new guy came in first year on the job, full salary. And it's like, okay, well that's pretty egregious. There's nothing like he's got no experience and like, it's
John:Like at that point, it seems like they're, they, like, he's making it like you're either going to, you know, work for me and be dirt and who cares, or you can leave. It doesn't matter. Like to him, it doesn't matter. Like he's getting what he wants either way. So yeah, like, like you said to, you mentioned like the, Oh, say that joke again, like you're being like sodomized or whatever it, um, He seemed to do that a lot, like a lot of like, Oh, do this degrading thing? Because I think it's funny and everyone has to go along with it. Cause he's the boss. Like at that time he was making every top show for Nickelodeon, unless
Mike:one after another.
John:And with how things were back then, like, unless something really bad happened, he wasn't going anywhere. He's he's implanted there. He's not getting fired. He's not getting let go even after all this. He was never let go It was kind of one of those mutually Mutually parted ways type thing.
Mike:they settled a lawsuit about dan and Like never went anywhere to the public. She got money and she knew Too like i'm never gonna work in this field again because of this lawsuit like nobody's gonna touch me But I tell you what it's fucking worth it
John:but Brian Peck will he like he got hired by Disney or something like right after serving his sentence
Mike:dude, I was like how
John:Yeah,
Mike:um, yeah, disney hired him. That was funny That was wild
John:um,
Mike:um, Zach and Cody, the
John:oh yeah, The Suite Life.
Mike:cruise ship, the cruise ship one, whichever one that was called.
John:That's, uh, it's The Suite, isn't it The Suite Life with Zack and Cody?
Mike:Yeah, but I thought there were two different names or maybe
John:Oh, is it, is it different?
Mike:hotel and one was in a cruise ship.
John:Um, these are definitely,
Mike:know that?
John:I don't know, I do too, but these were definitely past my time. Like, I remember watching this, like, they go over like the Amanda show, I remember that. I, Carly, I I think that's kind of where I was drifting off like I remember that I remember watching some of it, but I don't remember always watching that. Like, I think maybe.
Mike:surprised that Gibby, do you remember Gibby from iCarly? Yeah. I'm, I'm surprised he wasn't in this because like, you know, He, I think, tried to do some acting. I think he did, like, some, like, uh, social media stuff, but ultimately just dropped it because he said his mental health was too, like, unstable, but, like, he has talked about this before on YouTube videos of, like, his own mental health, and, like, he was, he was, like, kind of a little bit chubbier and would take his shirt off in iCarly all the time,
John:yeah, that was like his thing.
Mike:Yeah, and, and I think that stayed with him for a really long people, long time, and like, in college, people would be like, Hey, it's Gibby, take your shirt off, woo woo, like, just people being stupid, and he's like, he, he felt like he couldn't escape it. So,
John:I mean,
Mike:not doing stuff at all. Mm.
John:I kind of thought about that watching this like when they're showing in the first few episodes like that all that cast. I'm like, this is really tough for them. I mean, this is going to sound terrible, but, um, some of these people, they went through it. They had a rough time, but they at least like they had that acting career, they made money or something, or they got these experiences later on in life, something not saying that makes it better. I'm just saying that they at least had that limelight for a long time and were able to make a career out of it. Some of these other child actors. They didn't get that. They literally got messed up, got all the trauma, got, you know, these weird standards or depression or, all these issues and then have to just go live normal lives. Like you said, that, that Gibby is at college, trying to just live a normal life. And, It's like, nope, like you are that character now, like have fun. Like, you know, these adults made you look like a fool at 14 years old and now go have fun and deal with that in college. Like, that's gotta be brutal. Cause I, like, I want, like, how much do you, like, how much. Does someone like that even make from these Nickelodeon shows? I that's I've always wondered that because Dan Snyder made a ton of money
Mike:I mean even when they let him go from Nickelodeon dude made seven million dollars Like just to leave.
John:somebody. There was a Instagram reel about his house in like Beverly hills. And it's like a 55 or 55 million mansion. Like it's a, a house that you would think a platinum recording artist would have. Think about all the residuals and royalties he has to be making. Those shows are still showing. Like every so often they still show iCarly or something like that, and they're streaming and stuff. He's probably still raking in money from everything. Even while being a piece of trash. The one thing I wanted to bring up, I mean, I, I, I, like we always say this, but like, I don't want to go over everything. Cause I feel like this is a very good documentary to go watch.
Mike:Oh, you should absolutely go watch this It was very good. Very well done.
John:did you, the one person who really wasn't back on here is Jeanette McCurdy, uh, from iCarly. Have you,
Mike:released a book and
John:have you listened or read her book?
Mike:um, my wife listens to this podcast that And I'm the name of it's escaping me. Um, I'll put it in the show notes if I remember, but the podcast, what it does is they read New biographies that come out from well known celebrities, and then they regurgitate they basically I think it's something called like I read this so you don't have to like something like that. Yeah, something like that. So that's the purpose of the podcast is like to read. They read the book for you and then they talk about it on the podcast. Um, so I heard all of the details regurgitated from that podcast.
John:Okay. Um, I would 100 percent recommend the audiobook. Uh, I,
Mike:by her.
John:yeah. So I remember, like, I remember I Carly, I remember watching some of it and I just remember her character being like the cool, funny one and stuff like that. Like
Mike:you know, she was always the one I was like, Oh, she's like the like tomboy one that every guy wants to be friends with, like, cause she's
John:she, yeah, she was like the super goofball. And so when this book came out and like, I, I had heard a little bit about what it was, uh, you know, about in her life, I was like, Whoa, I'm like, okay. And so that's kind of where I first started to hear about everything, but I would really recommend it because it. It covers all the mental health issues that this cause causes. And like her, her mother was like the classic kind of manipulative show mom who like really kind of thrust her into this and she just had it coming from all angles and. It is, it's read by her and hearing her experiences going through iCarly, then that Sam and Kat show, it's really, it's, it's really, it's a great listen, but it's really, it's not great what she went through and like all the stories she talks about and like how she's still in, still kind of going through stuff currently. Everything. And I, I even if you got some of those details, if you want an audio book and it's ever on sale, or if you have a credit on Audible, definitely go listen to it. I think it's, I think it's worth it.
Mike:I might have to,
John:Yeah. I, I really enjoyed it
Mike:Yeah, that that certainly sounded like it was worth a listen for sure. For sure. I also think it's interesting like, because I just actually looked up just to just to see, you know, John, you, you were talking about like the old like, all that cast members and stuff. And I just wanted to see like if Keenan had said anything about it. And it is interesting because there's, There's certainly, there seems to be like, people who were, who didn't get this, like, or, or like, get, get this treatment, or like, preferential treatment. Certain people got it worse than others. And so, cuz Kenan missed it somehow. I think he though, he wasn't on when Dan Schneider was on. Is my understanding.
John:okay. Because I know, I think Drake Bell has not come to the defense of, but I don't think he's ever said anything bad about Dan Schneider actually
Mike:Yeah, I noticed that that I noticed that as well in the, even in the documentary, because he even details, uh, Dan Snyder calling Drake and saying, Hey, this guy, you know, he's, you heard about it, right? He's gonna,
John:Yeah.
Mike:I'm just wondering if you had anything to do with this or, you know,
John:Did that involve you or,
Mike:yeah, involved you and, um, seemed to be pretty, pretty Supportive of, uh, of Drake. Um,
John:as I was watching that,
Mike:in that moment.
John:like, I couldn't believe, it was hard to imagine not telling everybody because like, when he says like that courtroom, like you mentioned was packed for Brian, and it was just like, on the other side, it was just Drake and his family or whatever. Um, I'm like, why wouldn't he tell everybody and just get all like the defenses, but I'm like, well, wait a minute. If he brought it up and starts telling everybody, I think he mentioned it was like right before they shot the pilot of Drake and
Mike:Yeah,
John:Like, there goes that they're just going to be like, Oh, Oh, wow. Let's just, okay, let's just cancel this then.
Mike:let's shut it down.
John:So he's at that age, you're in a rough spot. Like, you don't want to throw that away. Quoted like, you know, like you're not throwing it away. You're sticking up for yourself, but it's gotta feel that way. Where you're like, I don't want to ruin this.
Mike:I've been fairly heavily, uh, invested in, um, the drama between Josh Peck and Drake Bell over the years. Cause they've. They were friends and then they didn't like, they kind of weren't friends. And it seems to cycle through that. Every once in a while was, you can go look up like YouTube videos about this, uh, you know, they both say things about each other, like. On different like podcasts
John:didn't know that
Mike:whatever they are on.
John:I didn't realize they had beef.
Mike:It's like, yeah, I think it's like, I could see like both, both sides of things. But recently, um, Drake actually released a video. That's a short that I, I caught on Tik TOK just by pure, purely the algorithm. And it's just Drake Bell being like, Hey guys. Listen, there's absolutely no reason for you to go, uh, like, say things to Josh about this. Like, basically defending him. And, at one point, he says, just, uh, Like go easy on him. Like there's no,
John:Yeah. I think a lot of people jumped on him. Like, how come you didn't do anything? And it's like, what was he supposed to do? He was the same age as Drake. Like,
Mike:they're all kids, man. Like you, you just like China survive, you know, like
John:yeah. And he
Mike:are you going to do?
John:of this stuff when they maybe had their fights or whatever, like, how's he supposed to know?
Mike:And
John:Uh,
Mike:Drake Bell, the thing is though, like there's no, like, I don't, I don't find, cause I was completely on Josh. Peck's side for a little while because I remember the certain things coming out about what had like Drake had done
John:Yeah, he's not had a great track record either.
Mike:Yeah, cuz he he also too You know, I think a lot of people need to understand that when something does go through like a court system maybe sometimes like if all signs point to this This wasn't, uh, his fault. Okay. So Drake Bell, um, was contacting a minor, um, or, you know,
John:Attempting to date or something. Yeah I mean, in layman's terms, isn't there the, isn't there the phrase like hurt people hurt people or something like that?
Mike:Exactly.
John:And yeah, so that's what that I did see a lot about that. Like people saying like, Hey, like both can be true. He could, he can have gone through a traumatic experience and
Mike:Good point.
John:person. This doesn't exonerate him from all the crappy things he's done, but it adds a level of understanding.
Mike:That's a really reasonable take, I think.
John:um, and I guess one other person to talk about, I guess, before we kind of maybe wrap up or start to is Amanda binds, we brought up the Amanda show, but
Mike:Amanda, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda, Amanda show. Drake Bell was on the Amanda show too. I
John:Yeah, that's where he like kind of started. Nickelodeon.
Mike:connection. Yeah.
John:didn't either. Um,
Mike:you know,
John:she, I remember being like, you know, same thing, like focal point of Nickelodeon. Like she was like the next big thing. And man, it seems like Dan Schneider was pretty creepy with her. I mean, it sounds like there's a part where she was trying to, get emancipated and she ran away. Like, she's still a minor and like disappeared for some hours. And it turns out like she was with Dan Schneider. And it's like, what, what are you doing? Like, you're like a 40 year old man. Just call her parents. Like, what don't do that? Like, what do you, like, just that whole thing is just inappropriate. And they said that like, I guess he would kind of spend a lot of time with her on set and all these things. And I mean, you can't sit here and make some accusations. There's no proof that he did anything actually inappropriate. But I mean, that is inappropriate though. You shouldn't be becoming friends with these 15 year olds that are on your shows. Like it's, it's weird. And you can just see it. Like, he thinks he's such a cool guy and, Oh, look at me. Like I'm so funny and everyone likes me and everyone's just like going along with it. Cause they're like, please don't fire me. Like, please don't fire me. But it's sad. I mean, watching her now, it's like. I feel like she had disappeared and then went through some mental health issues and is, it seems like trying to rebound now. Um, I know she, there's like a reel of like, she's going for her cosmetology license or something, like just trying to probably have a normal life now. It's like, you know, went through these things, had so many highs of being a movie star, TV star, but, At the same time, getting all of this stress and trauma dumped on you has to just, oh my god, it's gotta just mess you up, like, for a while.
Mike:remember like more vividly was like that string of movies that she had, like when she was like coming out of the Nickelodeon phase. Like, there's three that I just looked up that I remember very vividly. Um, She's the Man, with Channing Tatum, which I totally didn't even realize was Channing Tatum.
John:not that long ago.
Mike:Yesterday?
John:Uh, not yesterday, no, but it's like one of Kelsey's favorite
Mike:week ago. Okay. Aha! And, uh, I mean, the classic scene. Where they, they find out that she's a girl. I think happens like on the soccer field. I think I just for some reason
John:I forget.
Mike:particular. Anyway, um, then there's what a girl wants, which I believe she's in like London in that
John:Oh, I remember seeing the cover of this all the time. I think I can picture it in my head, but I never saw it.
Mike:she American teenager Daphne boards a plane to England to find the father. She's never met. Um, and then big fat liar with Frankie Munoz and Paul Giamatti. It's Sandra. Oh.
John:What a combination.
Mike:I know, what a combination is right. Who's afraid of the big bad wolf? Not Jason Shepard, Frankie Munez, who has to prove the sleazy Hollywood producer. Oh man, this sounds too close to
John:Oh
Mike:Marty Wolf, Paul Giamatti, stole his class paper and turned it into a blockbuster hit movie. Big fat liar.
John:Yeah, they were setting her up to be big time. Like you said, comes out of Nickelodeon having her own show that was super popular to right into being A movie star, I don't know how big those movies were, but to have three big movies where you're the main person in it, I mean, that's crazy.
Mike:If it's big enough to wear, Like most people of that generation of our age would remember it if you bring it up. That's pretty significant
John:Oh yeah. I just, I didn't know if they were actually like considered like
Mike:Oh, yeah,
John:movies at the time or if they were more like, Oh, that's just like a teenage movie or something like, you know, like, I don't know if they actually got like traction or if they were just like, eh, it's a random movie. No one's really watching this. And then now people like it, but
Mike:good question.
John:yeah. Um, yeah, there's, there's almost too much to go over that. A lot of it is visual. I feel like in this documentary.
Mike:I think uh, I think we've said enough of the actual details of documentary because at this point At this point, there's plenty more where that came from in the documentary.
John:Uh, not in a good way.
Mike:yeah. And so you should go watch it. If, if any of this interests you whatsoever.
John:Yeah. I 100 percent recommend this. It's like four episodes. Um, and if you ever start to feel bad while watching it, just start dunking on Dan Schneider's haircuts. It makes you feel better while watching it. It's,
Mike:good.
John:it's about 30 years of just terrible looking. It's just the worst. I don't know what he was doing, but, uh, yeah, it helps. But it's, um, yeah, it's great. It's nostalgia in the worst way. It's, it's great. He's like, I remember that and then you're also like, Oh, that's not good. So, uh,
Mike:Wait, wait, wait. So that's been another episode of the screen dude podcast,
John:ending on a
Mike:and we. Didn't cry. So that's a good sign. Um, there's still time. There's still got a minute here. Um, that's been another episode of the screen and podcast. We are now on YouTube, as you can tell if you're watching this right now, but some of you might be listening to the audio. Just wanted to let you know that you can head over to YouTube, subscribe to us, and we're over there as well. Uh, we've got visuals. We're actually on your screen instead of just in your earbuds.
John:You can watch up
Mike:What's that?
John:so they can watch us now
Mike:That's right. That's right. Uh, so that's all I got. No, uh, you can find us on the socials, uh, on Instagram. Uh, hit us up there. If you DM us, we'll give you an invite to the discord where you can give us a feedback as well as participate in things like voting on what kind of show we should do next and that type of stuff. So, that's it for me. I'm Mike Berger. That's Have a good one, everyone.